Mikkel Gerken kindly called to my attention this interview with Fred Dretske that was conducted by the students, named below, for an undergraduate philosophy publication, Tanken, at the University of Copenhagen; the students kindly gave permission to publish the interview.
Interview with Fred Dretske
By Tanja Tofte Bøndergaard and Linda Fønss
Duke campus is beautiful and, to a newcomer, seems like a quiet place. Forbes has ranked this tranquil spot 7th on its list of “power factories”, but it is probably better known for its basketball team and its fierce rivalry with University of North Carolina. This is where Fred Dretske, internationally acclaimed philosopher, has his office and where we have set out to meet him. It wasn’t written in the stars that Fred Dretske would become a philosopher. In fact he was only a year away from completing a degree in electrical engineering when he decided that it was not the field of study meant for him.
“I was an engineer, when I decided I didn’t want to spend my life talking to engineers. I would go to the coffee shops and overhear conversations and say: “Oh, that sounds very interesting.” People talking about literature and sometimes philosophy. I didn’t know these people, but I thought it all sounded fascinating.“
It was a basic introduction to philosophy at college, which got Fred Dretske so hooked that he decided to scrap four years of college and start over with the uncertain prospects of becoming a philosopher.
“I was so excited about the problems that I knew I wanted to do that for the rest of my life.I think it is an advantage to keep your career options open as long as you can, because you’re going to spend 40-50 years doing this and you want to make sure you get it right. I never regretted the decision I made; I know it was the right decision, because I’ve had fun my whole life. But had I stayed in engineering, I think I would have been miserable. You have to make a career decision at some time, of course, but put it off as long as you can.”
When Dretske had finally made his decision and, after two years in the army, entered the academic world of philosophy, he was talked into writing his PhD. on the nature of space, time and substance. However, he quickly abandoned this field and instead fixed his attention on the subject of perception in relation to epistemology, a topic he was far more dedicated to.
“My first book, 'Seeing and Knowing', was about perception; what it takes to see something and how seeing is transformed into knowing. Well, once you start looking at all the ways we talk about seeing and the various ways we use perceptual verbs, there are enormous complications there that you have to sort through to make headway.My claim was that there was something called non-epistemic seeing, so that I can see the book on the table without knowing that it is a book, without even knowing what a book is: simple seeing. Then there is seeing what it is, seeing that it is a book, that’s epistemic seeing. This distinction, I think, is - once you understand it - pretty obvious.It doesn’t seem to me, though, that psychologists and neuroscientists are much interested in such distinctions. What they want to know is: “If you do something here, does it affect what’s there?”.It seems to me that philosophers have something to contribute here. Seeing what is on the table is ambiguous between “seeing what it is that is on the table” and “seeing that thing which is on the table”. That’s a big difference and a philosopher has to be sensitive to such verbal differences, or he’s going to get confused and not be of much help to anyone. Scientists aren’t particularly interested in these subtleties of language. They just get bored. Philosophers are fascinated by them ... I am anyway.”
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